Subject Re: Runtime Files From Patrick Kox <Patrick Kox> <Patrick Kox <Patrick Kox>> Date Mon, 01 Feb 2010 23:48:16 +0100 Newsgroups dbase.getting-started On Mon, 01 Feb 2010 04:33:08 -0800, "Ken Mayer [dBVIPS]" <dbase@_nospam_goldenstag.net> wrote: >Patrick Kox wrote: >> On Sun, 31 Jan 2010 20:40:54 -0800, "Ken Mayer [dBVIPS]" >> <dbase@_nospam_goldenstag.net> wrote: >> >>> Patrick Kox wrote: >>>>>> 1. I noticed that the final tutorial.exe doesn't work (get the well >>>>>> known can't run PLUSRUN error 740 or something). >>>>> Is this one YOU created, or one that was out on the web? The one on the >>>>> web was probably done with an older version of dBASE ... and sometimes >>>>> the runtimes are not compatible ... >>>> It's the one downloaded from the website (so the one that Michael >>>> Nuwer made). I didn't have time to go through the entire Tutorial yet >>>> (I"m at the custom forms section at the moemt). >>> Well, you would need the version of the dBASE runtime from when Michael >>> compiled it last, and frankly that's not worth the effort. >> >> Ah, so if it's compiled with dBASE 2.0 for example you need the >> runtime files from that verssion ? (and up I would guess ?) > >Yes. EXCEPT: Not everything is upwardly compatible, nor is everything >downwardly compatible. There have been a lot of changes in dBASE over >the years, and sometimes things change enough that a program compiled >under an older version will not run with the most recent runtime engine. > Ah, I see. So basically it would be best to keep track of which version of dBASE was used to build a specific program so you know what runtimes are guaranteed to work when the newer ones might not. >>> Why would you want to do that, when one copy of the necessary files >>> makes more sense? The installer for dBASE Runtime deals with *registry >>> settings* that tell the .exe where to find the runtime files ... then >>> you only need one copy. >> >> That's how I understood it myself, but am I correct to assume that the >> runtime files were already when I installed dBASE Plus 2.61.5 onto my >> computer ? Because IF they installed with the dBASE installation (one >> would think it is since it seems to be mandatory to run the files >> compiled with it) why doesn't the tutorial.exe work ? > >Yes, they are installed with dBASE. However, dBASE Plus has evolved so >much that the current runtime is not compatible with applications >compiled with older versions of dBASE -- see above. It's all starting to make sence now. > >> As I said, I tried the tutorial.exe that was build by Michael and when >> I tried to run I got the PLUSRUN.EXE error and AFAIK it only works >> with 2 .manifest files (1 for PLUSRUN.EXE and 1 for tutorial.exe) and >> plusrun and resources.dll in the program directory ? > >When Michael last compiled the tutorial it probably didn't need manifest >files, among other things. Probably > >> I just checked (installed the runtimes with the installer that comes >> with the dBASE Plus CD) and now I can start the tutorial.exe without >> getting the question to run in Admin mode but the .manifest files >> should NOT be in the Final directory where the program is located BUT >> Plusrun.exe, resources.dll and PLUsr_en.dll have to be in the >> directory or I get the 740 error with plusrun (and now for some reason >> the program does not start when the 2 manifest files are in the >> directory (tried it yesterday and then it didn't work WITHOUT these >> files) > >I don't know. The registry settings should have been made, unless you >were not logged in as Administrator when you installed dBASE ... (?) Installed dBASE as normal user on Windows 7, but I guess the installer should ask permission to install ? > >> Anyway, I guess the runtime files are MORE then just the 3 files >> (Resources.dll, plusrun.exe and PLUSr_en.dll so maybe you mean that >> these files should be included and not the entire content of the >> runtime installer (about 14MB for 1 language or 24 or something for >> the entire packages I guess). > >A good part of that includes the BDE, BDE Administrator, and so on. > >> Also resources.dll is probably only needed because the program uses it >> to get some data (like the icons on the buttons). > >This also includes character strings used for error messages ... > >Ken Thanks Patrick